9 July 2025

77 thoughts on “2017-18 Winter League HDAFU Tables

  1. Hi,

    Last 6 weeks have been indeed bad, so we’re all in the same boat there.

    In addition, I am struggling to find a “blanket” rule when it comes to treating the questionable bookies like Marathonbet for instance.

    Take for instance the game that is about to end right now; Cracovia-Wisla Plock.

    In the info on this site there are two rules that I can’t seem to reconcile with each other,

    My low treshold is at 3.4 for Poland underdog. Can’t be too surprising really,

    So, Odds of over 3.4 were obtainable with 3 bookies; Marathonbet, 1XBET and AsianOdds.

    I have seen that AsianOdds should be discarded, right winger, helpful as ever, pointed this out.

    So that leaves two bookies. However, it also has been stated that when in doubt, go with the market majority, and apart from the 3 bookies mentioned, all others were under the lowest inflection point, so the majority of the market would dictate I’d skip this game.

    I skipped this bet going with this rule. I could however also have gone with the other option, as the Marathonbet odds were timestamped just before kickoff, which is also a valid indicator/approach according to other comments on this site.

    I find myself doubting every time, but I think from now on I am going to go with valid timestamps (odds updated at most half an hour ago) for all bookies except AsianOdds and TempoBet. I guess the doubt right winger speaks about is when odds are updated longer than half an hour ago.

    I have re-analyzed all my systems, and I am convinced of the validity of my analysis, which as such is no guarantee at all of course, but at least my decisions have been well informed.

    However, using flat stakes, and starting from the beginning of the season, one third of the bank would have been lost right now. But there is a LOT of football still to be played.

  2. Just a quick line or two on the Marathonbet/Tempobet/1xBet/AsianOdds issue.

    Firstly, AsianOdds are a multi-bookmaker platform, which includes Pinnacle and a few other sharp Asian books. The odds here are always going to be in line with Pinnacle as AsianOdds can’t offer higher Pinnacle odds than Pinnacle do themselves.

    If some of the other books on the AsianOdds platform are going to quote higher odds, then they will be marginally better than Pinnacle – no more than one or two ticks – rather than completely out of kilter.

    For these reasons, you can safely ignore AsianOdds when making your bet placement decisions and rely on Pinnacle instead. The time stamps on Oddsportal for AsianOdds are also likely to be less accurate than they are for Pinnacle.

    From all of the comments I have read, some people are including Marathonbet when making their decisions whilst others are avoiding them altogether. Personally speaking, if you are going to include Marathonbet, then it is always worth looking at their website for confirmation of where their odds are in relation to Oddsportal’s current reflection of those odds. Too often I have seen that the odds showing on Oddsportal are nowhere near available on Marathonbet’s site.

    Using the majority view to form bet placement decisions is definitely the route to follow. If the majority says yes, you can still place the bet with Marathonbet even if their odds are higher than your upper inflection point. If the majority says no, then avoid placing with Marathonbet or any other outlier bookie.

    This issue will be eradicated when the 2018 Summer League tables begin appearing for sale in October. The odds in all the leagues will have been individually checked and audited and will exclude all the outlier odds from Marathonbet, Tempobet, 1xBet and AsianOdds, whatever their time stamps. Hopefully this will resolve any confusion going forwards.

    I will also be publishing an article in the next few days on the checks you can perform to ensure that your systems remain viable in relation to the odds you are achieving. It will feature a piece on the Odds Toggle function within the HDAFU Tables. I will run through how to calculate the odds toggle figure and inputting it into the tables to show a simulation of what effect the strength of the odds you are buying has on the historical simulation for your chosen systems. Of course, this will provide you with a like-for-like comparison on prices, but not on hit rate.

    It has been an unusual start to the season in many leagues, but I am sure things will settle down. The chances of all leagues suffering anomolous seasons all at the same time are too small to worry about.

    I urge people to think seriously about their money management and to advise using a stop-loss trigger when things are lean. Even taking a brief pause from placing the bets and paper testing instead until things begin to pick up again is not admitting defeat.

    There may be many people running similar portfolios, but I can guarantee that no two portfolios will be exactly alike. I know from several campaigners that their systems are currently in healthy profits; others are profitable but perhaps not to the same extent. Therefore, it is maybe easy to seek consolation in numbers when things don’t go so well. I know all too well from my own experiences that doubts creep in and you become desperate for confirmation that you are doing the right thing.

    The bottom line is that if you have a healthy balance of risk throughout your portfolio, can guarantee at least 500 bets during your campaign (the more, the better), and have a set plan about bet placement and complete control over your staking plan, the overall result should be positive.

    Putting things into perspective, if a portfolio comprises ten systems, the straight chances of all ten systems having their worst performance for six seasons (the five seasons of historical results in the HDAFU table plus the current season) is 16.67% (one in six) to the power of 10 = 0.00000166%. This equates to one in 60.3 million.

    Winning the UK National Lottery by pulling six numbers from 49 carries a straight one in 13,983,816 chance. You are more than four times likelier to win the lottery than seeing ten out of ten systems record their worst performance for six seasons.

    Another example, if you ran only three systems and they all recorded their worst performance for six seasons, the chance would be 0.46324%, or one in 215.

    I’m sorry for everyone who is suffering at the moment. Things will get better. The odds of total failure are too small to worry about. To those of you who are currently enjoying success, I am very happy for you. But as they say, you can’t please all of the people all of the time.

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