6 July 2025

77 thoughts on “2017-18 Winter League HDAFU Tables

  1. Hi MustWin,

    1. The problem with lower leagues is that they are not very popular with the majority of punters and bookmakers underprice these leagues across the board as a result. When it comes to preparing HDAFU tables for lower leagues, you invariably find red numbers in every bet type. This would indicate these leagues are ideal for laying but of course they are not popular in Betfair either – the prices you find there can never lead to long term profits.

    2. Time is of the essence – we simply have no time to turn these things into a jack-of-all-trades (although it would be nice!). I agree, Asians would be very interesting to see when extrapolated over five seasons.

    3. I cannot guarantee anything at the moment. The HDAFU tables are the pinnacle of insight when it comes to deciding what to bet on but very few people seem interested in them. We do not know whether these will be continued in the future. A huge amount of time goes into them and it’s simply not paying I’m afraid.

    Thanks for your questions and for your interest in Soccerwidow.

  2. Hello,

    I have been following your articles on 1×2 betting and was able to create and find my own tables from which I produced an inflection points graph.

    I manage to create the graph for Inflection Points for Home Wins for the English Championship using my own data-set. However, as you can see, the graph is towards downward trend all the way.

    In such cases, where is the inflection points?

  3. Hello Mike,

    Regarding lower leagues, see my response above dated 25 September, point 1.

    Because the demand for bets in lower leagues is far less than premier leagues, bookmakers tend to reduce odds across the board.

    The trend you have seen in the English Championship is a combination of these reduced odds and higher ‘statistical noise’ created by the fact that there is promotion and relegation in lower leagues. A greater turnover of teams over five seasons certainly affects the results distributions, as fewer teams are ‘ever-present’ during those five seasons.

    If you want my advice, stick to the top leagues in each country only.

  4. @Right Winger

    Thanks for answering my Inflection Points for Home Wins for the English Championship question.

    [Another Question]
    I have keep track and stored in my database all the opening odds of my local bookmaker over 1.5 years for all leagues offered. I been thinking to devise a 1X2 bet system based on opening odds.

    Eg. EPL Match 01: 1:$1.90 X:$3.10 2:$3.20
    I will search my database for similar opening odds of the SME league -> EPL and calculate how many times EACH home win, draw and away win occurs for all similar opening odds.

    I then convert frequency% to Fraction x current live odds.
    Eg. Total home win occurs 60% for all such similar odds = 0.6
    Current live odds offered for home is $1.70 (dropped from $1.90)
    Current Value bet = $1.7 * 0.6 = 1.02
    Then I use kelly bet formula to calculate a optimized bet stack.

    Did you do this before, do you think it will work? What are your views?

  5. Mike,

    Everyone has their own preferred method. We use the last five seasons’ statistical data for every league we analyse – for a statistically significant pool of data.

    I would suggest that 1.5 seasons’ worth will provide too small a data set to see trends and to confirm them.

    With stakes, we use fixed stakes for backing and employ a ratchet method to slowly increase stakes as the bank increases. For lay bets, although we no longer favour them, we would always lay to win the same fixed amount every time.

    You will of course need to paper test any theory you decide to follow up although for the sake of historical data we always use closing odds as our standard benchmark. Nothing wrong with opening odds as long as you then place your bets at the start of the market too – just more time-consuming to collect that data manually and from my observations, opening odds only provide the largest odds available during ante post for some odds on favourites and rank outsiders only.

    Hope this helps!

  6. Looking at articles on the site i notice you mention you advocate fixed win staking. i recently purchased a HDA table i was wondering why you calculate the numbers based on fixed stake of $100 yet advocate throughout the site fixed win staking. Looking at the back the underdogs numbers for example if i change it away from fixed stake to fixed win (which means im putting on less $ on long shots) it changes from making money to losing money.
    above you say you now do fixed stake. Which one are you using now for all of your systens?? cheers

  7. Hello Cobber,

    Yes, our attitude has changed down the years. We no longer ‘favour’ ante post lay betting as much as back betting. This is purely because in order to place an ante post lay bet in an exchange you usually forfeit any value in the bet because you are constantly buying a price which is above the backing odds – and then you have to take into account exchange commission.

    In the long run, ante post lay systems tend to be poor performers whether you use a fixed stake or a fixed win plan, although we previously favoured the latter to smooth out the huge profit/loss peaks and troughs that can occur.

    The real advantage of lay betting is ‘in-play’ and we would therefore advocate lay bets for traders rather than system bettors.

    We use fixed stakes in the HDAFU tables for two reasons:

    1) For back bets, fixed stakes definitely perform better than fixed win, especially with underdog betting.

    2) By simulating with fixed stakes, all negative totals for the bet types analysed indicate laying strategies – we therefore don’t need to duplicate the tables with lay odds. The exchange commission toggle is present in the tables to simulate the effects of backing (or laying) with exchanges. (Of course, you can always change the 100 units stake to whatever figure you wish to use).

    To summarise, we rarely touch ante post lay betting but if we were to return to it, then it would be on a fixed win basis. For ante post back betting, we always use fixed stakes.

    I hope this clarifies the situation and many thanks for your valuable question.

  8. Hi there,

    Just wondering if its just me or the EPL FT HDAFU excel sheet doesn’t come with the Calendar Month Analysis?

    Useful information, thanks for providing this useful resource.

    Thanks!

  9. Hi OCW,

    Yes, we phased out the calendar month analysis becuase it was an unreliable guide. The reason for this being that every two years various leagues begin earlier than usual and end earlier to accommodate the World Cup or the European Championship tournaments.

    Working on our prescribed five seasons’ data set (for statistically significant results) would mean we would need at least 20 years’ data to see any noticeable trends from these early league starts/finishes.

    I hope you’re not too disappointed. As an aside, we will probably add a day of the week analysis to any future HDAFU tables, which is a useful guide when combining several systems from different leagues.

    Best wishes and good luck.

  10. Thank Right Winger. Another question. When i adjust the toggle function even by -1% all the tables that are positive are now negative and the negative ones are even more negative. Given im not based in the UK (for EPL) and dont have access to all the bookies its not reasonable to expect me to get close to the odds and -1% probably isnt low enough. im surprised about the massive impact this is having making most of the strategies unsustainable…am i reading this right?

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