23 February 2025

295 thoughts on “True Odds & Value Detector: League Games with H2H History

  1. Hi,

    Another question. Could you please explain how the O/U section work in the VC table?

    I see the real odds for Over X goals on the right side but I see no Value 2 for that only a value 1. Should I calculate it by hand and compare it to the Value 1 or there is another method to find the Over X bets?

    Thank you.

    1. Hi Zoltan,

      you will have to calculate it by hand (or personalise the VC and e.g. add an additional column with some formulas).

  2. Hi,
    Thank you for the above.

    I have another question about HDA part in the Value Calculator table. At the U/O goals part you have to compare the Value 2 to the league Rel SD.

    Does this mean that if I calculate the HDA Rel SD the same way it is calculated with the number of goals then I can use it to compare to the Value 2 in the Value Calculator and if it fits the other 2 criteria ( high enough probability and a proper quotient) then I have value bet?

    Thank you.

    1. Hi zoltan,

      betting on 1×2 results is far more complicated than just betting on over/under goals. Firstly you have with OU’s only 2 outcomes, either it’s over or it’s under. And secondly, it doesn’t matter which of the teams scores the goals. This is far more predictable that a 1×2 result.

      Furthermore, 1×2 odds are often manipulated by the bookmakers who have to take public opinion into account. Our HDA simulation tables show this visually: Betting on so-called favorites constantly leads to loss for the bettor. In addition, it really makes a difference if there is a team involved in the game with a high probability to win with a lead of 2 or more goals. And there are many more things to consider.

      You can certainly use the VC as a starting point and calculate the HDA SD the same way it is calculated with the number of goals and check against all the criteria described in the OU course. In addition you will have to factor in the goal differences.

      Good luck! 🙂

  3. Hi,

    This may have come up already, if so, apologies.

    My question would be about the teams that were promoted in to a given league in the current season (e.g. Burnley or Middlesbrough in England promoted to PL ).

    When they play against any team should I use the this seasons PL matches plus the previous seasons second league matches if there is a proper amount of H2H matches? Or do I leave out these matches entirely?

    Thank you.

    1. Hi zoltan, you’ll have to leave these matches. Sorry!

      Sample Size Matters!

      Deviation plays a vital role in analysing football statistics. This is a measurement for the distribution of an estimator function (i.e. estimating what is likely to happen in the future). If you mix two different seasons then you increase the error rate!

  4. Hi,

    I have purchased the value calculator with Asian handicaps. I’m not sure if I’m understanding the Asian handicaps section correctly,

    1. Hi,

      I have purchased the value calculator with Asian handicaps. I’m not sure if I’m understanding the Asian handicaps section correctly. Basically, I can enter the odds for the various handicaps for the home team, but the away side handicap odds I cannot – apparently due to the cells where the odds would be input being protected.

      Is this right, or can these cells be unprotected so I can input the odds?

      Thanks

      P.S my previous attempt to post this message cut it off midway through. Sorry.

      1. Column AQ calculates automatically as the ASH is a simple Yes/No bet.

        So, if the odds for the home team are 2.5 (40%), then the odds for the away team have to be 1.67 (60%).

        Anyway, I’m going to email you the passwords then you can unprotect the sheets and change whatever you like.

    2. Please ask whatever you like to know, and if the question requires a whole article I will probably even reply in form of an article. 🙂

      However, please try to formulate your questions as specific as possible. What exactly do you find difficult to understand?

  5. Hi Attila,

    Your name suggests that you are speaking my language.
    If you would be interested in changing ideas about Value betting, feel free to contact me at my e-mail adress:
    sarkanyszabolcs91 [at] gmail.com
    nyugodtan irhatsz magyarul:)

    1. Column Q I used for recommending dutch bets as I was writing for the Betfair blog, column S for single bets. If both, column Q and S recommend the same, it’s certainly a single bet worthwhile considering.

  6. Thank you!

    One more!

    What do you do if you have a prediction with Detector f. e. Italian underdog away, but the HDAFU Italy show this odds range is not profitable?

    1. The HDAFU tables are for system betting, the VC for analysing individual matches.

      When you use the HDAFU tables you identify a proftable odds range, and then bet on every match within the set criteria, without analysing these matches individually.

      The VC is for calculating the odds for an individual match. As already said, this tool was developed in connection with my articles for the Betfair blog in 2011/12.

  7. Hi Soccerwidow!

    After the game analysing, what do you advise how many hours before the kick off should I
    give the odds the spredsheet in? Or when should I bet on the market?

    Best regards,

    Attila

    1. Hi Attila,

      whatever time is comfortable for you personally.

      For example, in 2011/12, I was writing match previews for the German Betfair blog, and for this I carried out the calculations 3 days in advance. This was necessary as I had to write the article, send it for editing before it was then published 2 days before kick-off. The only important thing about “timing” is to consistently stick to about the same periods.

      It may sound crazy but there are no “influencing factors” that influence the outcome and cannot be foreseen a few days in advance. Otherwise bookmakers could not stay in the business as they offer bets well before the kick-off of a game, sometimes even weeks before the game is due to be played.

  8. Hello!

    Did you try finding value in league matches with small liqudity, for ex: Egypt 1, Czech1-2, Poland 1-2, Ukraine, etc?
    Do you think it’s worthwile trying at theese leagus where are at least 6 head to head matches were between teams?

    Thanks

    1. Hi sarkec,

      Poland it’s certainly worth trying, the other leagues we don’t have experience ourselves. Sorry, the market is sooooooo huge and our time soooooooo limited that we mainly concentrate on the EPL and German Bundesliga.

  9. Thanks,

    One more question:)
    Do you know where can I find inplay statistics?
    for example: Shots on target, shots on goal, corners, etc

    Thanks

  10. Hello Soccerwidow!

    Do you know websites from where football data for American leagues can be downloaded?

    Thanks,

    1. Hi sarkec,

      in the German version of Soccerwidow there is a post which discusses websites for (free) data download: Die besten Webseiten mit historischen Fußballdaten (The best websites with historical football data)

      Just use Google Translate, and have especially a look through the comment section. There you will find helpful advice as well as a few links where data can be found.

      Hope this helps. 🙂

  11. Hi, I had already bought VD last year. My question is, did you make a back-test after 2012 on the formulas? I know that at this year you had success with 274 bets, bringing around 10% with level stakes. However a lot has changed since then.

    Another comment I would like to make is, that you actually really can automate this process. Many more people would be a member here if they would see the results that these bring and also if they would not have to do many manual work. The results and odds are all there in internet, you could just add a page where the picks stay and show the w/l and the yield. You wrote earlier anyways that the other facts such as injuries/financial situations and so on can be ignored. That’s why I really do not understand why you say this is impossible 🙂 Please take this as a friendly suggestion.

    1. Hi Scott, the Value Calculator contains a lot of ‘protected’ cells. The reason behind this is that cells which contain formulas and calculations are not accidentally deleted by the user.

      I can certainly email you the passwords for un-protecting the sheets but then you run the risk to lose the functionality if you delete something what is required for the calculator to work.

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